Making the Move From Publications to Content Marketing

Got those journalism chops, but want to make the jump to content marketing? Not sure what content marketing is, but would like to make a little more money in your biz?

We're talking about how to move from writing for mostly publications to getting those content marketing clients. The how, what, and why step-by-step process.

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Well, hi there

Today. We are going to talk about going from publications to content marketing, basically how you can kind of use those journalism and magazine skills to move into content marketing. So a lot of times what I've seen with freelance writers that are trying to make the switch is they have been in that pitch cycle for so long that they're not familiar with finding business clients, which is what we talked about before in the previous live stream. And they're not really familiar with kind of moving into that marketing language. So I think the important thing here is that you think about how you can kind of take your skills to the table for those business clients, what content marketing means like as a topic, and then also in terms of it being like types of work that you can do and how you can kind of

Take your journalism stuff and move into content marketing to get higher paid work. So the first thing I have that we're going to chat about a little bit is journalism skills. So what I've noticed a lot of times is that journalists are not really familiar with all the skills that they possess the actually lead in to content marketing. So when you kind of have these skills, you are you're researching, you're interviewing a lot, you're composing articles for editors and readers, and you're learning about a specific audience for that magazine. You are doing a lot of things that are really part of content marketing. So the surprising thing is a lot of times business clients really love those skills. They really love to have someone who's really good at research, really good at identifying who and what their audiences they're really you know, tuned into the types of writing that needed to be done. And they're really great at asking the right questions, not only to the client to make sure that they're getting pertinent information from them, but they're really good at doing interviews for case studies and white papers and blog posts. And sometimes you might end up doing you know, pieces that are going into magazines like they're advertorials, but they're basically kind of like more marketing the company, but there's a lot of skills that you can

Pull up From your journalism background that really help. So when you're thinking about moving from publications to content marketing, what you want to do is kind of think about positioning those research skills and interview skills towards your client. So the types of writing that you might want to do, or like doing more reported blog articles or doing those case studies or those white papers, or sometimes what really helps is like video, if you are really good at interviewing people and you're recording a video interview with them, or you're helping someone kind of connect with an audience like on a webinar, a lot of those things are really great for journalists because we're very good at research and we're very good at writing to the audience of that publication. So think about that move where, how can I highlight my journalism skills and how can I use those to help a business client make some moves? So you're more moving into, instead of just pitching ideas all the time, finding new publications, learning them and pitching, pitching, pitching, coming up with ideas instead, you're kind of working more long-term with a business you're still probably going to be pitching ideas,

But it's on a slower turnover. And

It's also going to be more dictated by their kind of marketing and sales goals rather than people just reading it. So that's one piece of it is kind of highlighting those journalism skills for your business clients. And then when you're doing the finding clients piece, it's a little bit different than magazines. So with magazines, they're just everywhere, right? You can go and look on them.

Y you can go and

Find them at the bookstore. You can, you can just find them on an airplane like they're everywhere, but business clients, you actually have to do a little bit more digging, which is kind of what we talked about last week, where it's about making that list, figuring out if they have that five to $50 million worth of revenue. It's about more

Of the

Fit piece. Like the magazine, you might end up doing a one and done for them, or you might end up with a piece that you do for them a few times a year, but business clients, it could be more ongoing work. So you're gonna want to think about fit there. And then it's also about thinking about the types of writing that you want to do. Like we talked about like case studies, white papers, blog articles, things that you can use to leverage your skills in that content marketing space things that you can do to like help them with their content strategy. And then do that more for your business clients and think about the ways that you would want to approach them and help them along the way, rather than just a magazine where you just do one piece and then you're done. So when you're thinking about content marketing work in general, when you're moving from publications, which is something I did, I wrote a lot for publications before I kind of moved more into content marketing and more working for businesses, but honestly, like here's the secret it's like basically the work I do for magazines is essentially the same thing I do for businesses. Like there's

Very little difference. The

Big difference for me has been sorry, I was a little ear, bud keeps popping out today. The big difference for me has been that the publications are, are not so much focused on

The marketing

And sales piece. The publications are more focused on readership, and it's a very, it's kind of a different beast. When you have content marketing. Usually you have multiple different pieces that work together around the topic that the business wants to talk about. So let's say you're going to do a white paper for them. It's about food tech or whatever. And you're going to break that out into complimentary blog posts. So you end up having this white paper that you take a lot of information from and, and break it out into four or five blog posts. And then they have different types of content that they can use to market their business. So content marketing and draw in readers, get them familiar with their brand and build that kind of know, like

The trust factor. So yeah, so

That's more of a package of what you're creating for them. There's also the piece where you have like different things for social media, or you have things for case studies where you do those interviews and you can repurpose those interviews for other pieces. So your content marketing piece would be the repurposing, the different pieces that work altogether as different outlets, basically for the business. So you're pulling in a white paper and a case study and blog articles and social media posts and infographic. Sometimes an ebook sometimes you'll take an ebook and break it out into little. If it's a long ebook, it'll be little mini free downloads for people instant that ebook is paid or it's something where they're trying to get like more people and readership, but also get them to buy things. So your content marketing work is probably going to encompass more different types of pieces rather than just one reported article. That's 800 words, it's doing two weeks where you have to maybe find images.

So when you are moving in

Content marketing, I, one of my favorite places to always look is HubSpot. They have a bunch of courses. They have a lot of information where you can learn about content marketing, what that means, how to do it properly, how to repurpose blog posts, or how to refresh content, how to build out a content strategy. So if you were looking for more information on that, like HubSpot's one of my favorite resources. They have all these kinds of free things. So there's that piece too. And then I think the other piece, I think is really helpful. This kind of leads into the same thing where HubSpot also offers this where there's a lot more information about marketing and sales. It tells you about how the sales funnel works. Hubspot has courses that teach you more about marketing language. So when we're journalists, a lot of times it's like we are reporting on, you know, what's in front of us, we are gathering data, we're gathering studies.

Of course our story has a slant, right? The story has a slant to fit the magazine to fit the audience. But it's, it's more moving out of that and letting it kind of stand on its own. We're, we're giving the facts and figures, we're doing interviews. Maybe we're giving two sides of an argument. Maybe we are explaining two sides of a trend. Maybe we're just talking about, you know, what's happening over here, but we're it in a way where it's not like I've seen this and I do that. And when you're doing more stuff with marketing and sales language, your word choices and how you phrase your sentences aren't

As unbiased.

Yes. Basically as you would for a magazine piece, it's not so much reporting on what you have interviewed or what study you found or just that topic. It's more about, you know, telling someone kind of how they can like use this product that this company offers. And then maybe there's a call to action at the end that

Talks about getting the product. There's kind

Of a wide range there. So sometimes your content marketing clients will be like, this is just straight helpful information. Like we're, we're just having on our website. And then if they want to check it out, they can go to the website and we're not going to push the marketing language and the sales funnel here. But sometimes they'll get content marketing clients that are like, Hey, we basically want you to talk about our product and, and, and link throughout two different pages on our website so they can buy, or they can learn more, or they can attend a free webinar, or we have a CTA to buy the product or get a demo or do something that kind of leads them to actually click and purchase. So when you have your magazine article, you're not necessarily getting someone to click and purchase. You're giving someone information about a specific topic.

Like, you know, like I did one on renewing your lease for a pizza restaurant owners, right? That's not, that's not marketing the leasing, a leasing company to pizza restaurant owners. That's explaining to them how they can negotiate their lease and how they can get a lower term length or they can, you know, work with a landlord. Who's not working with them or move locations. If they have to, that's not giving them a product for a leasing company. That's not giving them a product for like a marketing course that teaches them how to negotiate. It's very different beast than content marketing, where the company that you're working for might have a marketing video that they want people to watch, or they might have an email list that they want people to sign up for it. Or at the end of your blog article or white paper case study, there's a link to something else. Hey, if you like this white paper, check out our blogs, your blog post series a, if you like this case study and you feel like you want to work with us, you know, send us an email here. There's more of a, like a it's, it's more of like guiding someone on the path to working with them, rather than just saying, here's this story. Here's what I learned. Here's some steps of how to do this, or just straight up, like sometimes, you know, newspaper articles are like, here's today's events,

Right. It's just like straight up that. So yeah,

When you're thinking about that marketing language and the sales language, you're going to be using different words and choices that kind of flow you into leading to a product. It will be, you know, like I said, there'll be on the scale. It depends on your client. Sometimes they want it super marketing and sales language heavy. And sometimes it's basically this like identical to what would write for a magazine article. So that would be something you need to discuss with your client, but learning how to use that language appropriately, maybe I'm reading up. Like I said, like HubSpot has great courses on like how to do that. I would also read through the company's past content that they've created. So if they've created a bunch of content on, you know, on their website or it's available for free download, I would go read that and see how heavy handed they are with their marketing language.

You can also just look at their website. Sometimes you can tell from their website, whether they're super hammering home, that like bargaining sales speak, like, Hey, buy now and you get this thing, red flashing button, like that kind of stuff. Or sometimes they're a little bit lighter with it. They're just like, Hey, we're here to help. And if you need our help, like here's our email at the very bottom of the page. But a lot of the language in there is more like we're helping you, we're doing this service, we're providing this thing and it's less, it's less pushing home the marketing piece. So I know I'm already like, almost halfway in, but I think there's going to be a multi series thing. So I don't want to give you guys too much at once. Cause I feel like that might be a little overwhelming.

But yeah. So when you're, there's like basically the synopsis here is that there is a lot of journalism skills that you can move into that you can move into content marketing. And there's a lot of opportunities where journalists really have kind of an upper hand because they have those skills. They're really good interviewers. They write great articles. They've worked with editors, which means they've learned from the editing process. They've figured out how to basically pitch ideas, learn from the audience. Like there's a lot of little pieces in here that journalists have that really lead into content marketing. So if you're a journalist and you write for a lot of publications, I w I still write for a lot of publications, but it's also like I do a lot of content marketing, but when you're making that switch, it's, it's kind of changing your mindset of what the goal is to accomplish when you're writing for magazines.

The goal to accomplish is to take them on a story is to take them, you know, we're either reporting straight facts and just saying, this is how it is. Like here's, today's news. We're taking them on a story of some kind of like like travel pieces. A lot of times food pieces are very story-based, they're leading you through a meal or leading you through a trip or a hotel they're leading you through something that you can kind of get immersed in and get a feel for it. And then, you know, you're kind of making that switch to content marketing, where it's more telling features and benefits how this product is going to help me. I'm explaining how, like for a case study, right. For doing, to do a case study how that, that company's product really helped a certain client. Right? So the case study is going to be basically like free marketing.

It's like a very large testimonial for a company it's like inner, you're going to interview that happy customer. And then you're going to slant that piece, basically telling everyone how great that company is. Right. Truthfully, we're not going to like, make anything up. We're not going to, you know, go crazy here, but we are going to slant it so that we show how great the company was. What was the transition they made? Like where were, how were they stuck? What, what did working with this company mean? And where are they now? What did they accomplish? What are the metrics that we can look at? And that's a lot different than a piece that we would have for a magazine. So that's kind of my spiel so far on moving from publications to content marketing. I saved some questions from y'all from before. So I'm going to pull those up.

Oh, thank you. Amber says, Amber says she loves my sweater. I just got this letter. I, and you know what? It already has dog hair on it. And I just got it. So thank you, Amber. Oh, we got black text. Well, this is my life right now. This is just how things are. And I'll get going to give you guys a quick pup date because I've been kind of like chatty chatty today. So there they are. Charlotte's actually in the picture today. So we've got that beaus of course asleep. He turned 14 and he got this crazy dinosaur the other day that he is just obsessed with. And he pulls the fluff out of everything. We don't have the dinosaur in here. We have the fluff in here, of course. But he he pulled all the fluff out of it. And what he loves is when we put all the fluff back in. So he pulls the fluff out of the toy. We put it back in and he's 14. So whatever he wants, we do it.

Charlie is Charlie's over here. I clearly all girl,

She's all, she's all grumpy because she wants to sleep

On her little Virginia tech blanket.

So now I'm going to move to questions. So I hope that little intro piece was really helpful for y'all. So I have a few things I'm going to go over first.

Oh, Molly says that. It's our first time

I'm on the livestream, man. I wish that this text wasn't black. So let's see if we can fix that. Can I fix it? I'm a live stream.

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Worked. It actually worked. Yay. Okay. So hi Molly. I think I know you Molly. So welcome to life.

I have some question

In the chat too. So first I'm going to get to ambers question in the chat. So it's loading, it's thinking. Cool. So she says, this is super dumb, but what exactly is a white paper? I feel like every client has a different definition from the people I've worked with. So this is not a dumb question. This is a great question.

So here's the truth.

A lot of times people say they need X and it's actually why, hi, I need a white paper. It's not a white paper. It's actually this other thing. Hi, I need a case study. It's not a case case study. It's actually this thing. So they're not actually familiar exactly with what they want. They just know they're like, Oh, this sounds like this thing, right? So this is not a dumb question because you'll get a lot of clients who will who will ask for things that, that aren't actually that thing. So for your white paper, what you're going to be doing is explaining basically how your product solves a problem in a unique and specific, specific, special way. So instead of like a case study or highlighting a customer that used your product, that's like, Hey, this product is great. Like you should get it.

A white paper is like, let's talk about this product and why it's great. And what are the things that it's going to be helping with that are unique, set it apart from the market, it's more of a piece that's explaining the product itself. And it's going through like a good resource for this. Like, while I'm thinking about it is Gordon Graham. Like he writes a lot of white papers and let me pull up the chat a little bit. Yeah. So your, your white paper is your white paper is just basically going to be like essentially marketing the product, but you're going to be explaining why it's different, how it's helping solve the unique situation. It's more about

Like the,

The company's positioning of that product in a way that solves problems clearly and definitively and through these specific ideas and steps. So let me pull up those others

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Okay. So that was a great question, Amber non dumb question. And I'm going to go through some questions I got from other people

People earlier, but now my thing doesn't want to put it,

There we go. Okay. This is live people now, you know, cause it's like, it's me trying to participate in the world. Okay. So I have questions from Darren that he sent last week that he asked via email because I shut down the chat because I didn't understand YouTube. So I put them in here now. So Darren says, would you say that a thousand dollars for blog posts of 750 words to 1,250 words is common for high paying clients? The highest I've asked for so far has been 600 and I already felt that I was pushing it at that rate. So the answer is, yes, I'm a thousand dollars for 750 to 1250 is reasonable, depending on certain things. So high paying clients are paying you for skills. This kind of falls into what we're talking about today, right? Our journalism skills of research interviews like finding images or getting headshots, sometimes getting headshots is a thing.

The SEO that you're going to do for them, there's a lot of pieces that make that, like, I probably wouldn't charge a thousand dollars for 750 words in less. I'm like doing something crazy research. So I'd probably charge a thousand more for like probably like dollar, a word range. If I'm doing a ton of research, if I'm doing of I'm grabbing images, SEO, a lot of different pieces rather than just like, Hey, write this general blog post that you could probably finish in an hour or two. That's not a ton of research. It's just kind of like step-by-step to do this thing. That's, you know, you've written about before. So yes, the answer to that, where you find a thousand dollars for a certain word count for high paying clients is true. And I think the answer with the $600, like the $600, I think is still a great rate.

And it also depends like if I was charging $600 for 750 word posts, I feel like that's reasonable. If the post is me writing from my knowledge base, right? It's not, it's not anything extra spicy. I'm not adding anything that is taking extra time, extra a huge, you know, appointments with people to set up interviews or finding certain images or inserting certain things like links for keywords. So I still think that's a good rate. It just depends on raising it to add on different things. Like this is something I tell my clients all the time is like, we get a ton of different types of projects. It's not like a blog post is this much because they blog posts too. One of my clients is like three interviews. It's like 2000 words long and they want this other stuff in a blog, post someone else's 500 words, basically like, Hey, let's do a quick, listicle do this thing.

It really depends. It really depends on what the project is. Second question Darren asks was with retainer agreements. Do you typically specify a certain amount of work and a certain amount of pay, for example, for blog posts for a fee of 2,400? Yes. Yes. This is something else we'll end up talking about contracts and how you write up basically your proposal in your contract for your clients. So with your retainer agreement, you definitely want to specify the amount of work and the amount of pay because this helps protect you and protect the client. So what you're doing here is when you have that specific amount of work, right, you, you know exactly what you're getting paid for. And you know, like when you put your payment terms in there, like when and how you're getting paid and what you're getting paid. So when you don't have an agreement, let's say something, doesn't go very well with your client.

Without that agreement, you're kind of stuck. You don't, you basically have an, either an email chain or you have some sort of situation where it's like a, he said, she said, when you don't have an agreement, you can get scope creep. Or the client's like, Hey, let's add this thing. Let's do this other thing. Let's like, they can add a lot of things in there without actually realizing what they're doing. Like they don't, they don't realize that maybe you should charge more for that or that they're adding extra work. They're kind of treating you like a full-time employee. And this is kind of my protect, the client piece, like protect them from themselves sometimes. And then also, like, I know this has happened to me where you get scope creep and they're like, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. Like I just, I just didn't know.

Or I, I didn't know that's how it worked. Or like basically, like I forgot you were not a full-time employee where I could just give you more work. There's a lot of things in here when you have a re an agreement with a retainer, where do you want to map out what that means? Especially if your agreement is like really long, if your agreement is like three months or six months, or, you know, a period of time that you would want to know how much work you're doing over that period, it also helps you plan, right? If you have an agreement that sets specifies what your, what work you're doing and how much you're getting paid for it. Well, now we know how many other clients or how much money is coming in. How many other clients can we take on based on how much work we're doing for this client, and then how much money, you know, basically do we need to make, to cover our bills and, you know, grow our business.

But now we know, because we have our retainer agreement that maps out specifically our work and our amount of pay when we're getting paid. How long that is. The third question Darren asked was, how often have you experienced a client paying you the monthly retainer fee without requesting all of the work they can request for that month? So let's say they get four blog posts a month, but they request only three and still pay you the full amount as required by the agreement in your experience. Does that happen a lot? No, that does not happen to me. I don't think that's ever happened to me is what I told Darren. That's happened to my friends. Like I've had friends, who've had retainer agreements where they do zero work and they just, basically, their client has them on auto and they just they're like a lawyer.

Basically. They just get paid for being in their sphere. So they're, they're getting paid for like basically being available when they need them available. But a lot of times, for me, like, I don't think I've ever had a client where I don't do the work that was asked and I get paid the full amount. If I don't do a certain amount of work, then I'm not charging them for that. I will, I will only charge for work completed. I just don't like to me, I just don't like the idea of getting paid for work. I didn't do that. Just makes me feel a little weird. And I also think that, you know, if your company wants, like your client wants to pay you for four blog posts, when you did three and they just pay your retainer amount, they can do that. You know, but for me, that hasn't happened.

It's only, it hasn't happened to me personally. It's only happened to my friends. So I don't think that's a common thing. I think a lot of times what happens is you end up getting a retainer agreement and you end up doing more work. So a lot of times you end up getting this agreement, you get scope creep. They're like, Oh, we love working with you. Let's make sure we do this, this and this let's add this. I really liked this. Let's do you know, they, they pile it on because they're like excited about working with you. So I think that happens more often than they're like, yeah, we don't actually need all the things we said. Like, let's just give you all the money anyways. I don't think that's as happened. I have another question in here that I got from Darien.

So Darien says, he's asking for tips on how to get more involved with journalism jobs and career opportunities. So I think the deal with those, like if you're going for full-time jobs is like, I would just try to get in touch with the editor and I would send them pitches and ideas, and I would kind of like work for them on a freelance basis. And when they have an opening, I would like, I think the amount of journalism jobs, just full-time jobs and staff jobs is really going down. So if I was going to do it, full-time, I would try to like, get some freelance stuff, do some pitches, like since you already have a journalism background, I would just go in there and pitch

Some things. So there's that. And then also

When you pitch things, they start to get to know you, they know your name, different editors, you know, start to get to know you. Cause if you get an assignment, usually like one of the publications he asked them out is like Austin monthly. So there's certain publications that are bigger that have multiple different editors. So a lot of times you'll meet different editors in the process. They'll get to know you, that'll kind of like help and there say like, Hey, we loved working with you. Have you ever thought about coming on full time, maybe that'll happen. Or maybe the, you know, they'll have an opening that you'll see and you can say, Hey, Claire, I saw that you guys are hiring for this position. I'd love to talk to you about that. And maybe having in that way the other ant question he had was how would someone get their foot in the door with awesome monthly basically. And any suggestions for applying for jobs, if you're, should you be emailing?

Nice, sorry, everybody.

Should you be emailing or networking online? Is that more effective or is it in-person better? So for me, it's all about ideas. When you're working with publications, you're sending them ideas.

So this for

Freelancers is always like the golden nugget, right? The golden nugget is like sending them ideas that they didn't think about or getting a relationship with them where you're kind of the go-to person for X subject or for certain things. So when you're trying to get in with a certain company, I would pitch them a bunch. Like I would get them to get to know you and then see about getting a job and apply for them. And the emailing part, I think, would be more sending pitches. Your networking piece could be, I mean, it's a little bit tougher right now, cause we're not meeting in person, but there are meetups all the time. Like I've gone to food meetups for restaurants and then there's editors there.

And there's like like if you,

You get in touch with PR people by sending your pitches, right, you've got to interview people that kind of helps you with networking, getting into those events where it's like, Hey, come to this event, like, there'll be all these different people and you can kind of talk to them there. Get to know editors, get to know like my, my thing was always restaurant owners get to know people in the area that you can talk to for jobs. And then also I think like in-person stuff. So in person stuff, I would just leave it at networking. Like, I don't know if you mean in-person like going to their office and talking to them or going in for a job interview. But I always feel like you're coin of the, like basically the coin of the realm is that you are sending them pitches. They're getting to know you and then you can apply for a job later. But I do, I have put in this caveat that I'm a big fan

Of doing freelance,

I think with journalism and publications, you are limited a little bit. And when you have a freelance business, you basically can do anything. You can work for anyone. You can work for publications, you can work for a vast number of publications that cover a ton of different topics rather than just one publication. That's like, this is our, this issue and this is our this issue. And now we're doing like, it's a little more formulaic. I guess for me personally, I really like when it's more

Or

It's more variety and you get to basically try different things, right? For different audiences, learn about different businesses, learn about different things that you may not have thought of. Sorry. My ear buds are just popping out today. Every time I smile, they just pop out. I have one of those weird ears, I guess, so. Okay. Any other, okay. Amber says she's in tech impressed by all my tech, Amber, and that's what I'm using. Ecamm live so I can pull it up on here cause I have e-comm live. And then I also, like when I do my pup date, I can just pull it up really quick. Cause it's set up. All right. Thank you. You are. You're so snugly. She's like don't touch me. I'm sleeping

Lady. Okay. I'm going to pull this guy down.

Let's see if there's okay. Any last questions we're like basically at time. So it says, I guess I could imagine. Oh yeah. So here's one, that's actually a pretty good comment here. So Tommy says that, I guess they could get so busy. They forget to task you at a hundred percent. That's true. Businesses do get busy and they do sometimes kind of, you know, forget about you and you have to email them and be like, Hey, remember that work we're doing. Like, we should probably do that this month because it's like, you know, the 16th and the month's going to be done soon. So yeah, they, they do do that. I know that that was one of the clients that one of my friends had. That's basically what happened. They just forgot about her. And they were like, here's some money. Like they had AP basically, like they had accounts payable, just like, she just had like an invoice.

They just basically had her on auto pay and then they'd be like, Oh yeah, we need this. And then they'd go away. And then you're like, you she'd be like, Hey, like, do you need work done? They're like, Oh yeah, here's this. So yeah, they, they can forget. And remember it's different being a freelance writer. So when you're a freelance writer, you're running multiple different clients in your business. You're writing for, like we talked about today, like publications, you're writing for businesses, maybe you're writing for, I don't know a bunch of different places rather than just like one, one company. And when you're working at one company, sometimes you can just get kind of sucked in, right? You get sucked into what they're doing and all the little moving pieces there instead of having like a wider view. So sometimes they do forget, like when you're a freelance or you have a lot of different places to handle that are outfacing and it's a lot of different situations, but sometimes when you work at a full-time job, it can be just one situation that you're like, Oh my gosh, we gotta get this done and got to get this done.

And you forget about the freelancer and you know, it can happen. It can happen too. You know, we're all busy. So if anybody has any other questions, I can answer those. But if not I will give you guys like one last pup date and then we're going to jump off for this Friday. And also I hope everybody's doing okay. I know things are stressful right now, so I hope everybody's doing all right. All right. I'll give you guys one last pup date and we'll see if we can like bug Charlotte, but look how cute she is. She's like a little beanie. She's like a little Natalie being good girl. All right. So thank you guys so much for showing up live and having questions and comments and stuff. And yeah, I'll see you guys next week. I'm going to surprise you guys with what we're going to talk about. I'm not going to do the part two pubs to conduct marketing. I'm going to throw that in some other time. So I hope you guys all have a really good weekend and bye for now.

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